More router testing and initial results on the OMNI-496

I have been testing a lot of different router and antenna combinations this year, some of which I covered in New routers & antennas under test. There are more choices for routers and antennas than ever before, which is a good thing. Here’s a quick update on some existing and new testing.

Testing Continues….

Testing continues on a couple of routers with some quick updates:

MikroTik wAP ac LTE6 – great little router with powerful APs for a local WiFi network, single SIM slot and two ethernet ports. Performance of the local WiFi network is on par with all of the other powerful MikroTik devices, and the CAT6 LTE modem has worked well. I’ve tried it mounted inside and outside, with the preference being outside for the stronger LTE signal, at the cost of a little local WiFi performance.

If you want an outdoor router with a single LTE radio, this is a good option. Just be ready to spend some time with MikroTik’s RouterOS, which is not for the faint of heart.

Peplink MAX Transit CAT18 – this is turning out to be my favorite because of how well the CAT18 radio is performing combined with OMNI-402 antennas. I’ve had amazing throughput numbers combined with good signal capture even in bad areas. I’ve used Peplink products for a long time, but this one has been consistently outperforming the CAT6/CAT12 versions – not just in download/upload speeds, which you would expect, but in pulling in remote signals.

This is compared to my favorite configuration for most of 2019/early 2020 which was the previous MAX Transit paired with a single Poynting OMNI-400. I can safely say that the CAT18 + dual OMNI-402s is my new favorite choice.

I have it setup with the WiFi AP disabled most of the time (read below on the OMNI-496 to see why) and two AP One Rugged WiFi access points spitting out my local WiFi network. I will be publishing an article soon on my current primary network on Rendezvous, as I have had a lot of people ask, and it includes this router. You can’t go wrong with the CAT18, but know that you will need a lot of antennas to make it perform at 100%.

Testing Ended….

Cradlepoint IBR1700 CAT18 – The 1200-MB CAT18 modem does not appear to work with T-Mobile as you can read in a thread I participated in here. I also opened a support case, and was told to talk to T-Mobile to have them “change the plan” to get it to work, but that didn’t work, nor did I want to muck up my grandfathered plan.

Given that one of the motivating factors for people purchasing CAT18 is Band 71 support on T-Mobile, this seems like a big glaring hole. I’m sure eventually they will get it working, but I would steer clear of this product until they do.

I was also not impressed with CradlePoint’s restrictive software and EULA, which is not new, but hasn’t changed. It requires you pay for support, or the product neuters itself and various features stop working. I hate software models like this, especially for a piece of hardware this expensive! This restrictiveness also crosses over to their forums, which you cannot access without a support contract. Open models of support and collaboration are important for any product I would recommend or use myself.

GL-X1200 Amarok Dual LTE router – I finished my review on this product, and was quite impressed. There have been a number of folks who have contacted me about it, and I look forward to feedback as they are implemented.

Testing Now….

Peplink HD1 Dome dimensions – courtesy of Peplink.com

Peplink HD1 Dome CAT18 + SIM Injector – Peplink came out with this a year or so ago, and has been recommending it for boats. There was even a conversation recently in the comments about using it on a sailboat. It has some very interesting benefits, but it will also require more hardware around it to work like a MAX Transit or other all-in-one router/AP device. It is also a lot more expensive ($2500 and up) and has some mounting challenges.

So far the performance has been pretty even with the Peplink MAX Transit CAT18 and external Poynting antennas, but in some situations it performs better. I’m hoping to finish testing this in July since a number of folks have asked about it. Having to only run ethernet cabling to it is very, very nice, I must say….

It is not a 1 for 1 replacement of a MAX Transit and will require, at a minimum, an AP One Rugged or other indoor AP, plus potentially a switch or router depending on network topology. The ethernet splitter could be an interesting thing to combine with a MikroTik Groove, allowing a single device to power both the HD1 Dome and the MikroTik. We’ll see….

MikroTik Chateau – front side

MikroTik Chateaux – this is another new entry from MikroTik that has a lot of promise, even potentially more than the wAP ac LTE6. It has a CAT12 Quectel EG12 LTE modem in it, a way to attach external antennas, 5 ethernet ports, and a dual band 2.4Ghz/5Ghz WiFi access point with included external antennas.

MikroTik Chateau – back side

The Chateau has the potential to be a powerful local wireless router with extra ethernet ports for wired devices, accepts a wide range of DC power, as most MikroTik products do, and has a very modern CAT12 modem in it for LTE. Even more important is the ability to connect pigtails from the LTE modem to the open expansion points you see above on the top of the picture, and then connect external antennas. So far my testing has just started, but I have not seen anything big missing other than PoE, which is a bit disappointing. If it had that, it could power your outdoor MikroTik Groove to use for grabbing remote WiFi signals, and you’d have a single power source, all MikroTik solution.

Teltonika RUTX11

Teltonika RUTX11 – I’ve been trying to get my hands on one of these ever since I heard about it earlier this year, and reader Tom Henderson mentioned he was installing one. Streakwave finally started carrying it, even though it is not 100% certified on all US carriers, and I have it in my hands and have barely begun testing.

It has a CAT6 LTE radio, dual SIM slots, 4 ethernet ports, dual band 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz WiFi AP, and runs RutOS, which is based on OpenWRT, like the GL-X1200 Amarok. I’m interested to see how their operating system compares to the one GL.iNet has, and what level of access you have to OpenWRT. It could prove to be a very nice single radio, small form factor choice.

Poynting OMNI-496 WiFi antenna preliminary results

I’ve tested the OMNI-400 and 402, but I also wanted to get my hands on the OMNI-496, a similar form-factor marine-grade WiFi antenna that handles both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. I’ve been on the lookout for a good dual band WiFi antenna for a long time, and haven’t found any that have performed well. In fact, most absolutely suck at one band or the other, or have no marine mounts, which put them at risk of corrosion.

Comrod makes a good 2.4Ghz antenna, but it is for that band only – I know several people who have this antenna and like it, and I dug one out for my testing. Altelix and other cheap manufacturers make dual band antennas, but my experience with them has been mediocre in most cases.

Poynting OMNI-496

For my configuration, I am using two OMNI-496 antennas, both connected to the WiFi ports on my Peplink MAX Transit CAT18. I also have several Peplink AP One Rugged WiFi access points that are connected to the MAX Transit, providing the local WiFi networks on the boat. I’m not relying on the access points built into the MAX Transit locally. The idea is that I want to be able to use the antennas in two configurations:

WiFi capture configuration – turning the integrated WiFi access point off in the MAX Transit, and using the WiFi as WAN functionality to have 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz sources for a remote WiFi signal. The goal with this testing is to see if having the MAX Transit as a central nexus for everything is a good solution, and whether it performs better than a dedicated MikroTik Groove. This would mean you could have one product to manage all of your WiFi sources, do not need to learn MikroTik and deal with connecting to it in various situations.

Long range local WiFi AP configuration – this is a bit more interesting use case where I do have the access point turned on in the MAX Transit, and am not using WiFi as WAN. In this case, I want the OMNI-496s to broadcast my local WiFi network out around the boat as far as possible. This could be useful for folks who are outside the cabin areas, but more importantly, I want to see how far away I can still pick up the signal. I often times have other cruising boat friends near me, and they have in the past been able to glom off my WiFi network for access if they have an inferior system. Will this help them? Also, how far will it reach – could I go ashore near the boat and still be connected?

Results so far….

The results so far are very promising. When used in the WiFi capture configuration, where I’m using WiFi as WAN, the 2.4Ghz side performs just as well as the MikroTik and as well or better than the Comrod 2.4Ghz antenna.

Where it is outperforming everything else is in the 5Ghz range, which shouldn’t be a surprise given Poynting’s data sheet and test results on the OMNI-496. In the screen shot above, I am roughly 1200 feet from the houses on shore, and am connected to a 5Ghz WiFi source. You can see below it that the 2.4Ghz signal is slightly better, but whenever possible, I always try to use 5Ghz given how much less interference there is with that spectrum.

1200 feet is a very long way for 5Ghz, and I have never consistently gotten this sort of performance on that band out of any antenna/combo/MikroTik. I’ve been using this for 2 weeks straight in the South Puget Sound, connecting to all manner of WiFi sources – from home routers to marina WiFi, and have seen consistently amazing performance on 5Ghz.

Even though the 2.4Ghz signal is stronger, I am only getting about 2-3Mbps up/down from it. The 5Ghz connection is giving me around 10Mbps download and 4Mbps upload. I’m using that connection to write this article, and it is very reliable. I’ve used that same setup in various places for multiple Zoom meetings as well, and even though I’m rotating on anchor and moving around, I’ve maintained that signal enough for it to be viable. Very impressive for 5Ghz.

The second configuration is still being tested, although preliminary results are also good. Near the boat, the outdoor WiFi signal is extremely strong. Further away is very subjective depending on the time of day, conditions, device I am using, etc. I have also been able to stay on WiFi longer when leaving in the dinghy, and even hung on a few times while on shore.

I can already say that if you are looking for a dual-band WiFi antenna, the OMNI-496 is probably the best, if not the only marine-grade one, out there. If you plan on using it for grabbing remote WiFi signals, and don’t have a 5Ghz antenna, this is the one you should get. If you already have a 2.4Ghz antenna, I wouldn’t necessarily replace it unless you are unsatisfied with it.

More data in a full review here in July. Same goes for all of the other routers, plus some of the ones I mentioned in the original article!

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33 thoughts on “More router testing and initial results on the OMNI-496”

  1. Any suggestions for a cheap turn-key solution? There is a possibility that we may get a month or two on the boat in Sept/Oct but L will still have to “work from home.” So we are going to need a good signal for the occasional video conference and accessing the LMS.

    I’ve been looking at a couple of solutions but so far nothing seems to stand out.

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    • It really depends on what “turn key” means to you. That’s part of the challenge with internet aboard in general – there are several sources for the internet side (LTE, WiFi being the primary two) and several goals for people aboard. Video conferencing is hard because it requires a moderate amount of bandwidth, versus just checking email/web pages, and is very latency sensitive. No one wants to wait for you to talk for 10 seconds 🙂

      Add in to that the locations we tend to visit which necessitate an antenna or other things, and it goes from being turn key to custom.

      The simplest systems to install and manage are the slightly more expensive solutions from Peplink over a cheaper one running OpenWRT like the Teltonika or GL.iNet stuff. Their UI’s are easier to use, they have both WiFi as a WAN source and a local WiFi network built in, plus an LTE radio as well (sometimes more than one). You can even avoid running antenna wires and use the factory antennas, and place it close to a window when you’re far away, or something similar. You could do that with one of the cheaper ones, but I suspect their radios aren’t going to be quite as good, and their software is a lot more klunky so you’d have some challenges switching between things.

      Happy to talk about more details here or in email.

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      • I don’t mind fighting with software — as long as I have a good connection to be able to Google things 🙂 I just don’t want to be installing hardware and running cable for days on end.

        If this does come to pass I will hit you up for some specific recommendations. I sure hope it does because otherwise I think there will no cruising season for us this year.

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        • I’m working on reviews on the Peplink MAX HD1 Dome ($$$), the MikroTik Chateau (complicated), and the Teltonika RUTX11 (I think this might be better than the GL.iNet Amarok! for only $280) so you might want to wait a bit until I finish them.

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  2. Hi Steve,
    Great to hear you are receiving such great results with the Poynting OMNI-496. A great picture you made to. In Europe the OMNI-496 is very popular, and we have good feedback too. Thanks for the good work you are doing!
    Enjoy your weekend!

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    • Hi Tjeerd,
      The 5Ghz performance of the OMNI-496 is very nice – I have been very pleased being able to grab those signals which I’ve never had results with any other solution. Glad to hear it is being used elsewhere with success!

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      • Steve,

        I just came across your site tonight while researching WiFi extenders for my boat. I believe the OMNI-496 antenna is the best way to go but I’m not sure what to do regarding the router? I don’t need anything fancy, just something that is 12V and has an easy interface. Any recommendations here?

        Thanks in advance!

        Dan

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        • Hi Dan,
          There are some purpose built WiFi extender products like the Rogue Wave devices that come with their own antennas – you might want to check those out if you want an easy interface. Products like the MikroTik Groove have a hard interface, but are cheap, and perform well.

          For a 12v router that could use an external antenna, you’re going to have to do a bit more research and careful examination. Most home routers like TP-Link’s stuff can run off of 12v if you get the right models, but they aren’t going to all have the WiFi as WAN feature which allows you to grab a remote WiFi signal and rebroadcast it. They’ll also potentially have different connectors on the back of the unit that you might have to convert from, etc.

          The easiest interfaces for this sort of stuff are going to be more commercial vendors like Peplink and Cradlepoint. They make routers that run off of varying DC voltages, have the WiFi as WAN features built in, and have relatively easy to use interfaces. They’re more expensive than your average home router, but you get what you pay for. Without knowing more about your specific use case, that’s about as far as I could go….

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  3. Hi Steve,
    I really appreciate these reviews and knowledge sharing. One of the things I’m struck by though is that currently there’s a real dearth of reasonably priced carrier plans to support this equipment. Most folks in the space seem to be running one or several grandfathered data plans right now, but for those of us new to wanting these types of implementations we need to wait for the deals to come along. For now I’m considering using a Pepwave surf soho with marina (or other shore) wifi for WAN and a cell phone hotspot when shoreside wifi isn’t available. I’m not sure about using a Peplink AP One Rugged hot spot with it or not, I might need to depending on use/number of outside antennas.

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    • Hi Evan,

      You’re correct – the biggest challenge for any LTE router is getting a plan that works for most situations. Carriers rarely have truly unlimited plans, only allow them on certain master plans, make it difficult to sign up for them, and if you miss a payment, immediately cancel them. Their definitely having issues keeping up with big data users like ourselves, so I get that, but we’re all willing to pay for it….. Or at least many people are.

      I have a grandfathered T-Mobile One International plan that is amazing. It’s not unlimited, and slows down at about 30-40GB if I am in a metro area. But the real nice thing is that it roams on Canada providers and seems to be pretty unlimited, which is nice when I am cruising up there. I also have a pre-paid, no contract Verizon Unlimited SIM that truly does appear to be unlimited. But, if you miss a payment on it, it’s gone forever. Not that this helps you, but if you do get a plan at some point, never let go of it, and don’t miss a payment!

      What I have found is a bunch of 3rd party resellers that sell you what amount to almost unlimited plans but at a higher cost. They’re also setup out of the box to work with routers or hotspots. I’m currently using Nomad Internet (https://nomadinternet.com/) for my AT&T plan and it has been great so far. I was using another similar place (OTR Mobile) but they lost their ability to renew with AT&T and I had to move. That’s the only downside to using these sorts of services, but there’s always someone out there that will sell you a plan. They aren’t cheap, but for unlimited bandwidth I’m OK paying $100 or a bit more as it’s that important to be connected all the time.

      I have plans to do an article on this challenge as I’m asked about it constantly, and it is the biggest challenge in making all of this stuff work!

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      • Thanks a lot for the tip on third party, I’d not looked into them yet. I’m still kicking myself for not getting that Verizon prepaid plan though!

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  4. Great blog, and I love all of the tech you are using. I’ve been following for quite a while, but now getting more serious as I’m both updating my travel trailer, and looking to buy my next boat.

    I’m curious what guidelines you use for antenna placement and spacing? The GL.iNet Amarok has two cellular antenna per modem … so did you install four antenna? Or just two (one modem) and with what spacing?

    Also, what coax are you using for the various antennas (cellular and Wifi)? Are you creating custom lengths and crimping your own connectors?

    I’m curious to see what you find with the Teltonika unit. Do you know what modem they are using in the North American version?

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    • Hi Scott,
      In terms of antenna placement, I assume you’re talking about outdoor antennas? I am using 2x Poynting OMNI-402 antennas which are dual element antennas, for a total of four antennas or elements. Each antenna is cross connected in a specific pattern recommended by Poynting which I’ll be documenting in an upcoming article. Those antennas are far apart from each other, on opposite edges of my arch and about 10′ apart. Most antenna manufacturers have minimum ranges between their own antennas, and other types of antennas or interference. Poynting I believe wants 1 meter between similar antennas.

      I always use LMR-400 Ultraflex whenever possible. Standard cabling is a big source of loss, and can be worse than even not having an external antenna! Especially on boats with interference, etc. I do not create any custom ends – I leave that to the professionals who have the right expensive equipment. Those connectors, if done incorrectly, can be a huge source of loss as well.

      I’ve not been able to figure out what modem the Teltonika uses yet. I’ll be sure to post that when I finish my initial use of it.

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      • Hello,

        When you are using 2 x OMNI-402, is that for gateways – like the GL.iNet unit – that have two cellular antenna (for diversity?) I noticed on that gateway they have the four cellular (two per modem), and then the two WiFi jacks also.

        Curious … on that GL.iNet unit, are the two WiFi antenna for two distinct radios? You can have one be the inside AP, and the other be the arch-top WiFi client?

        Lastly (for now) where do you tend to order your LMR-400 cables? I’m guessing you found a good supplier that allows you to specify the connectors and lengths?

        Thanks again!

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        • Hi Scott,
          In the case of the GL.iNet Amarok, you could cable 2x OMNI-402s to the two individual modems. Each modem has 2x antenna ports, and you could connect one cable from each of the 402s to one modem, and then the second cables from each 402 to the second modem. That way each modem is actually using one element from each antenna, providing diversity and separation.

          With a MAX Transit CAT18, it has 4x antenna ports for one modem, so I have both OMNI-402s connected to that one modem using a specific pattern/cross-connect.

          Most routers like this have one WiFI radio for 2.4Ghz and one for 5Ghz, and the ports match that. It would be hard to use one for indoor and one for outdoor since you’d have to choose the frequency. Some of them will do both on a single port/radio (client/server) but performance suffers because of this. In many cases, people choose to use a MikroTik Groove or similar connected to a WAN port to do the outside client WiFi piece.

          I use Show Me Cables – sounds weird, but they have made cables for me for a couple of years for good prices, always quality setups, and fast shipping. Here’s an example one: https://www.showmecables.com/sma-male-to-sma-female-low-loss-400-ultraflex-coaxial-assembly-15-ft

          You can choose the different ends, and they have lots of different lengths as well. I try to use LMR-400 ultraflex because of the flexibility – standard LMR-400 is just too difficult to work with.

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  5. Steve – have you tried any of Poynting’s Puck series antennas? I’m particularly interested in possibly using one to connect to WiFi as WAN with my MaxTransit.

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    • Hi Jon,
      I have not personally tested their PUCK series, but given what I can see about their specs, and having had a couple of conversations with other folks who have, they aren’t going to perform anywhere near as well as the OMNI-496. I have tested a lot of other puck-style antennas from MobileMark, and a couple of other companies whose names escape me right now. None of them were worth the cost, and in fact, were worse than just factory antennas. This has to do with the length of cable I needed to get to them, and the overall gain and radiation patterns they have. Stuffing 5 antennas into a tiny puck isn’t going to give the designers enough room to make it worthwhile except for vehicles where the cables are short, and they are in metro areas where the signal is much better. Those puck antennas were designed to overcome the metal barrier of the car/vehicle, and not meant to be on boats or RVs out in the middle of nowhere.

      Their MIMO series of antennas are very interesting to me, though. They are fairly new, and there are some new versions coming out that have 2x WiFi and 2x and 4x LTE in them, and their performance info looks quite a bit better than a puck. However, they are quite a bit larger, but definitely no where near as tall as an OMNI-496.

      Any reason you wouldn’t use the OMNI-496 with your MAX Transit? That’s what I’m using, and it has been absolutely amazing in terms of performance.

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      • I could go with a OMNI-496, but it would mean using a single antenna given its size. I was curious as to whether I might get better performance from the 2x WiFi antennas inside their Puck, and a shorter cable run. The MIMO antennas do look interesting, and would allow me to pull everything into one housing, and possibly shorten all my cable runs considerably. I’d be interested to hear performance feedback on these as well. My LTE antenna has generally been the priority, and I’m thinking of moving to an OMNI-404.

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  6. Love the reviews! I’m also trying to get better connectivity in Elliott Bay and was looking at the Teltonika RUTX11. How is your review going?

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    • Hello neighbor! I am still finishing up my testing and hope to have something published soon. It is going well, and I actually prefer this so far to the GL.iNet Amarok from the UI perspective. It is still a single LTE radio if that matters, but seems to work very well.

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  7. Hi Steve, if I wanted to pursue having a single 4G router with Wifi-as-WAN abilities (for example the Teltonika RUTX11), and only wanted to have two external antennas, 1 for LTE (eg OMNI-291) and 1 for WiFi capture (eg OMNI-496), would I get good performance?
    In particular:
    1) One single OMNI-496 attached to one of the wifi ports, would it operate on both 2.4 and 5 GHz? Meaning would I be able to capture wifi on both frequencies with a single OMNI-496 attached to a single wifi port?
    2) Would the router then use only the other frequency for the internal access point? In that case, would I just attach a small internal antenna to the second wifi port?
    3) Would it make a difference which wifi port I attach the external OMNI-496 to? Or does it figure it on its own?
    4) Is there a 4G router that does wifi-as-wan better than others? I’m trying to avoid having two devices, such as router + Mikrotik Groove, if the performance is good enough.
    Many thanks!

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    • Hi Massimo,

      I’m not sure I can say whether you’d get “good” performance as that is somewhat subjective. It would be better performance than using indoor stock antennas but there are some caveats:

      1. No. I am not aware of any hardware that allows you to simultaneously capture both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz frequencies. There are a number of challenges hardware-wise that I don’t think have been solved – in particular, I don’t think there is a radio that can listen to both at the same time and process them independently.

      2. Sort of – you can’t do both simultaneously, but whatever you didn’t use outdoors would be available indoors.

      3. As far as I know a specific radio (2.4 or 5) is connected to a specific port, so you’d have to reverse engineer which one is which, and connect the outdoor antenna to the one you wanted to use.

      4. I’ve used it mostly on Peplink. I’ve tried it on many others and it works. I can’t say whether one is better than the other – it really depends on the antenna and radio. I know there are likely more features in the Peplink products than some of the others, but that doesn’t mean they perform better.

      You could figure out which port is 2.4Ghz on a given router and use that for an external antenna. You could use it either in only remote mode, or in hybrid mode (depending on the hardware) and then use the indoor one for 5Ghz only. Since 5Ghz doesn’t travel as far due to its design, that would likely be the best solution if you are trying to do something like this. However, 2.4Ghz might be compromised depending on how big your boat is, what it is made out of, interference, etc.

      Also, using a radio as an AP and as WiFi as WAN simultaneously, which I know you can do on Peplink (I’m not aware if you can on the others) has severe performance penalties. You’re essentially using one radio to do two things, so performance in terms of throughput is cut in half or more.

      It might be better to consider something where you use a Teltonika for nothing but your WAN/Internet source, leaving both the 2.4 and 5Ghz WiFi antennas on that unit to just pick up remote signals. You can swap the cable for the outdoor antenna back and forth depending on which band you want to use. You’ll most likely use 2.4 most of the time anyhow. Then add an indoor WiFi AP like the AP One Rugged from Peplink, or even just a cheaper Teltonika, GL.iNet or even mainline brands like Netgear, etc. for the internal WiFi network. That does require two pieces of gear, but the indoor WiFi one should hardly ever, if ever, change. You’d set your local network up and leave it alone, only tweaking the Teltonika.

      In terms of using a single outdoor LTE antenna and then one indoor LTE antenna, you’ll get good performance out of that, but not max throughput and diversity. It’s a good solution that I’ve used before when I only could fit one antenna outside.

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      • Steve,
        I understand from the Poynting website that the OMNI-402 has 2 ports, covering all LTE bands and 2.4Ghz wifi.
        So what’s wrong with a setup that uses one OMNI-291 (connected to LTE main), and an OMNI-402 connected to LTE aux and to the WiFi 2.4 Ghz port? This way with just two antennas, I’d have the best possible LTE coverage, plus excellent 2.4 Ghz wifi coverage for WIFI as WAN (on 2.4 Ghz only). Not cheap, but sounds quite efficient to me (if it works).
        This could be coupled with a Peplink router, or even the Teltonika RUTX11, which is much easier to find in Europe.
        I could then try using the 5Ghz wifi port with an internal antenna for AP, or if the performance is poor, I could just attach a separate AP. But I’m more interested in hearing what you think of the two Poynting antennas, serving three ports.
        Many thanks for your support 🙂

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  8. Hey Steve – it seems as though you’ve struck upon an ideal solution with the Peplink MAX Transit CAT18 and the pair of Poynting 402 LTE antennas for cellular. That much seems clear (although I’m looking forwards to the connection specifics you mentioned!)

    However, I am a bit confused by the OMNI-496s. Unlike the 402 antenna which actually has two elements, it seems the 496 has a single element that can utilize 2.4 or 5Ghz, so the second antenna is redundant except that you want to broadcast your local WiFi around the boat.

    I can see there are two WiFi studs on the MAX Transit – is the idea that some people want to run dedicated 2.4 and 5Ghz antennas? My real question is: could I use one of the MAX Transit WiFi studs for a single 496 for improved WiFi capturing on both channels, and use the small stock antenna on the second WiFi stud to broadcast WiFi throughout the boat?

    I guess I am imagining having three antennas on the arch: two 402s for 4x MIMO, and one 496 for WiFi capture. The MAX Transit would then combine those to broadcast (via the stock antenna on the second WiFi stud) a local WiFi network that would combine the best that the three antennas could capture.

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    • Hi Paul,
      I’m working on documenting my current setup which is a bit more than what you outlined above. The MAX Transit CAT18 is a great product, and with 4x antennas it is a powerful solution. But it has one flaw – only one LTE radio. When I am away from any other WiFi source, I like having two connections in a SpeedFusion tunnel (more coming on that too) that allows for almost instant failover. With the MAX Transit DUO you can do this since it has dual LTE radios, but I also wanted CAT18 radios to take advantage of some of the new bands/frequencies….

      Besides that slight tangent….

      What I use the MAX Transit CAT18 for is WAN sources only. It does not broadcast WiFi except in rare situations. I use the LTE antennas and radio to grab a remote LTE signal. I use the two OMNI-496’s to grab 5GHz and 2.4Ghz WiFi as WAN simultaneously (if possible). I then use the WAN port on the MAX Transit to connect to a MAX HD1 Dome as my second LTE signal (also CAT18). To create the WiFi network aboard the boat, I use two Peplink AP One Rugged access points which are at strategic areas across the boat. The MAX Transit manages both of those.

      This allows me to have the high quality OMNI-496s grab remote WiFi signals managed by the MAX Transit CAT18. Essentially that box becomes the source of all internet, managing it through simple priorities in some cases, and more complex rules, tunnels, and policies. I go to one place to configure everything, and regardless of what is connected when and how, I know I am getting the best signal without having to connect to different devices.

      As far as I understand, each of the connections on the MAX Transit for WiFi is frequency specific – one is for 2.4Ghz and one is for 5Ghz. If you use WiFi as WAN + create your own WiFi network, it uses the same radio for both “client” and “access point” and cuts the performance by 50% or more. I’ve seen this when playing with the feature on a standalone unit. That’s why I chose to use the APs on the MAX to grab remote WiFi signals when possible, and the AP One Rugged indoors as my access point. It gives me some additional redundancy as well.

      When I am super remote and know my only sources are LTE, I do sometimes flip on the access point on the MAX which then uses the nice 496’s to broadcast my WiFi network all around the boat outside. I’ve been on my WiFi network on a beach a few times while at anchor 🙂

      This obviously makes it more expensive, but I highly recommend considering it if you want the ease of use.

      If you did it your way, you would either have to be OK with the performance penalty of running one of the frequencies as both WiFi local and WiFi as WAN, and really only ever using one band for the long haul stuff since it was connected with the outdoor antenna.

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      • I see. So if you were using a single 496 antenna with the MAX Transit, the ‘dual band’ (2.4 or 5Ghz) functionality would never really be utilized, because you’d have to choose whether to plug it in to either the 2.4 or 5Ghz stud? It sounds like the fact that it’s a nice antenna is more important than the fact that it can work on either band, at least in this application.

        From your description, I agree it does sound like the separate One Rugged AP would be necessary for WiFi broadcast, and that the two studs on the back should solely be used for receiving.

        BTW – thanks so much for your clear and concise explanations, and for taking the time to respond. I feel like I’ve learned in three days of reading your site what would otherwise have taken months!

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        • Hi Paul,
          I decided to reach out to Peplink just to make sure that my statements were correct about their WiFi antenna connections. It used to be that one was 2.4 and one was 5Ghz. It turns out the newer products have both radios on both antenna ports. I am going to guess this has to do with one being used for WiFi as WAN and the other as an access point? Not totally sure….

          So while this might make things easier in some senses, it might make my point even more salient – since you don’t know which frequency will be on what physical antenna port, you’d have to cable both the same way since both could be on any port at any time!

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  9. I see. So if you were using a single 496 antenna with the MAX Transit, the ‘dual band’ (2.4 or 5Ghz) functionality would never really be utilized, because you’d have to choose whether to plug it in to either the 2.4 or 5Ghz stud? It sounds like the fact that it’s a nice antenna is more important than the fact that it can work on either band, at least in this application.

    From your description, I agree it does sound like the separate One Rugged AP would be necessary for WiFi broadcast, and that the two studs on the back should solely be used for receiving.

    BTW – thanks so much for your clear and concise explanations, and for taking the time to respond. I feel like I’ve learned in three days of reading your site what would otherwise have taken months!

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  10. Steve,
    I understand from the Poynting website that the OMNI-402 has 2 ports, covering all LTE bands and 2.4Ghz wifi.
    So what’s wrong with a setup that uses one OMNI-291 (connected to LTE main), and an OMNI-402 connected to LTE aux and to the WiFi 2.4 Ghz port? This way with just two antennas, I’d have the best possible LTE coverage, plus excellent 2.4 Ghz wifi coverage for WIFI as WAN (on 2.4 Ghz only). Not cheap, but sounds quite efficient to me (if it works).
    This could be coupled with a Peplink router, or even the Teltonika RUTX11, which is much easier to find in Europe.
    I could then try using the 5Ghz wifi port with an internal antenna for AP, or if the performance is poor, I could just attach a separate AP. But I’m more interested in hearing what you think of the two Poynting antennas, serving three ports.
    Many thanks for your support 🙂

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